ArtBistro

wish i had some idea of what i should have. just never cared! throw me an extra thousand if enough people don't call you on it...

you've just made an old man blush...

not to be a fart about this, but could this not lead to folks going pointlessly point crazy, loading anything?

Quantity over quality 

I really think people should look and comment on a persons work before requesting to be a friend. The cutting out of diminishing returns (see Valeries first post) will encourage people to send out mass friend invites now more than ever (5 points for a friend!). I've gotten invites where the person does not even leave a comment in the space provided. That is not networking. This is just one aspect I see of this change that will lead to even more abuse than in the past. Artists will be drowned out in the forum, groups, news,  by people who will bury others in those subjects, there will be even more look at me massive group emails, individual viewing requests on the forum, one word comments, etc. Not to mention..

I can add many more observations and will. I am sure that there was serious thought put into this change. I appreciate that, no system is perfect. People will cheat others. Were any artbistro moderators or members consulted about this change before it happened?

As NYC324 (an artist who has my respect) said "let the games begin".

My point rating did go up...a lot.  But I'm staff and am not on the leaderboard.  Since anyone that joins automatically gets an invitation from me to be a friend, it is not fair.

SheilaTS says ...

I'm glad Valerie has the first five star rating.  If ANYONE  deserves it after putting out all these fires, it is she.

It will be interesting to see how this changes users' activity in the next few weeks.  For most of us, it will not change our activity at all.  For some, it will. I don't think that is bad, the reputation system is in place to motivate activity on the site. 

The only way one can be mass messaged is through a group message, mass messaging on groups for friends will be discouraged.

A lot of thought has gone into the new point system change.  Issues that have come up on our discssion boads were taken into consideration.  So, everyone was consulted.  Was anyone directly consulted? No. Not even me.

brokencolor says ...

Quantity over quality 

I really think people should look and comment on a persons work before requesting to be a friend. The cutting out of diminishing returns (see Valeries first post) will encourage people to send out mass friend invites now more than ever (5 points for a friend!). I've gotten invites where the person does not even leave a comment in the space provided. That is not networking. This is just one aspect I see of this change that will lead to even more abuse than in the past. Artists will be drowned out in the forum, groups, news,  by people who will bury others in those subjects, there will be even more look at me massive group emails, individual viewing requests on the forum, one word comments, etc. Not to mention..

I can add many more observations and will. I am sure that there was serious thought put into this change. I appreciate that, no system is perfect. People will cheat others. Were any artbistro moderators or members consulted about this change before it happened?

As NYC324 (an artist who has my respect) said "let the games begin".

On the one hand, I am glad to see the administration responding to the dissatisfaction with the point system.

On the other hand, I marvel that it could believed that this new system could do anything but amplify the problem we have been having with quantity over quality here. Apparently it is much better to have thousands of friends you don't know than a few hundred you actually have or have attempted to have actual relationships/conversations of depth with... The well is deeper, but the water at the bottom is harder to get to and is getting shallower and shallower. A "friend" is also more point value than a "photo" or piece of artwork??? Granted many people load thousands there too - forget the words, portfolio, call it file dumping central.... but as an art site shouldn't the emphasis be on art?

Unfortunate developement for the 'bistro.

PS - Yes I lost a star and eleven places on the leaderboard... that doesn't concern me so much as some of what has filled it. The valid artists and site contributors, great, I do love to see it, but Vacation pictures and I can use a photo shop filter albums, and everybody's friends, woohoo. This new system encourages me to spend less of my time here in aticipation of some of the actions it will incite in certain members, rather than more.

Janice,

Thanks for your concern with content. I am concerned about it too.  And I do think that you are right the reputation point system encourages volume rather than quality.  If anyone feels the same way, please speak up.

Janice says ...

On the one hand, I am glad to see the administration responding to the dissatisfaction with the point system.

On the other hand, I marvel that it could believed that this new system could do anything but amplify the problem we have been having with quantity over quality here. Apparently it is much better to have thousands of friends you don't know than a few hundred you actually have or have attempted to have actual relationships/conversations of depth with... The well is deeper, but the water at the bottom is harder to get to and is getting shallower and shallower. A "friend" is also more point value than a "photo" or piece of artwork??? Granted many people load thousands there too - forget the words, portfolio, call it file dumping central.... but as an art site shouldn't the emphasis be on art?

Unfortunate developement for the 'bistro.

PS - Yes I lost a star and eleven places on the leaderboard... that doesn't concern me so much as some of what has filled it. The valid artists and site contributors, great, I do love to see it, but Vacation pictures and I can use a photo shop filter albums, and everybody's friends, woohoo. This new system encourages me to spend less of my time here in aticipation of some of the actions it will incite in certain members, rather than more.

valerie says ...

Janice,

Thanks for your concern with content. I am concerned about it too.  And I do think that you are right the reputation point system encourages volume rather than quality.  If anyone feels the same way, please speak up.

 

Janice says ...

On the one hand, I am glad to see the administration responding to the dissatisfaction with the point system.

On the other hand, I marvel that it could believed that this new system could do anything but amplify the problem we have been having with quantity over quality here. Apparently it is much better to have thousands of friends you don't know than a few hundred you actually have or have attempted to have actual relationships/conversations of depth with... The well is deeper, but the water at the bottom is harder to get to and is getting shallower and shallower. A "friend" is also more point value than a "photo" or piece of artwork??? Granted many people load thousands there too - forget the words, portfolio, call it file dumping central.... but as an art site shouldn't the emphasis be on art?

Unfortunate developement for the 'bistro.

PS - Yes I lost a star and eleven places on the leaderboard... that doesn't concern me so much as some of what has filled it. The valid artists and site contributors, great, I do love to see it, but Vacation pictures and I can use a photo shop filter albums, and everybody's friends, woohoo. This new system encourages me to spend less of my time here in aticipation of some of the actions it will incite in certain members, rather than more.

ABSOLUTELY... it's turned to quantity as opposed to quality. I can upload thousands of pieces of crap THAT I TOOK... would I? NO... I wouldn't disrespect the members here. There IS NO REASON other than acquiring points to do such an obvious act. In the past names have been associated with disreputable acts and have been used throughout history to denote such behavior.

Benedict Arnold... Judas... just to name a few.

Does anyone here want to be known for "Pulling a Dan" for bulk uploading! (the name has been changed to protect the innocent)

Thanks for chiming in fellows, Stan, Gio and Jon....  I'm not willing to be a bug-eyed internet junkie or unscrupulously load a zillion images to hold some "place" here. Place no longer matters if quantity is "IT" here... Artbistro has already fallen from a 5 star establishment to a 2and a half... next thing is a 1 star with rooms by the hour(top-rated portfolio area, lol) right out front for all to see.

Janice says ...

On the one hand, I am glad to see the administration responding to the dissatisfaction with the point system.

On the other hand, I marvel that it could believed that this new system could do anything but amplify the problem we have been having with quantity over quality here. Apparently it is much better to have thousands of friends you don't know than a few hundred you actually have or have attempted to have actual relationships/conversations of depth with... The well is deeper, but the water at the bottom is harder to get to and is getting shallower and shallower. A "friend" is also more point value than a "photo" or piece of artwork??? Granted many people load thousands there too - forget the words, portfolio, call it file dumping central.... but as an art site shouldn't the emphasis be on art?

Unfortunate developement for the 'bistro.

PS - Yes I lost a star and eleven places on the leaderboard... that doesn't concern me so much as some of what has filled it. The valid artists and site contributors, great, I do love to see it, but Vacation pictures and I can use a photo shop filter albums, and everybody's friends, woohoo. This new system encourages me to spend less of my time here in aticipation of some of the actions it will incite in certain members, rather than more.

I totally agree with this comment about friends. It relates to the first comment I made on this thread.

Some people got a leg up last night because their number of friends, no matter what other participation they had in artbistro. I went down from 7 or 8 to 17 on the leaderboard, mainly because I got friends though a slower process, where I looked at and commented on work first. That is not my concern. But you can do a friends request just about quicker than anything else on artbistro. How do you get so many friends in a couple of months? I know some friends come about by people requesting you to be a friend, especially if you have been here several months, but many may not look at your work, or even say anything in the space provided in the request. This is not networking. 

I am not saying there should be a rule that you look and comment on a persons work before making a friends request. I think its more of a matter of what the site is for. The point hunters will rack up friends without looking at or caring about the artist they are adding. There is no limit now or diminishing returns to reign them in. Same goes with other aspects of the site, which impacts others even more.

Janice says ...

Thanks for chiming in fellows, Stan, Gio and Jon....  I'm not willing to be a bug-eyed internet junkie or unscrupulously load a zillion images to hold some "place" here. Place no longer matters if quantity is "IT" here... Artbistro has already fallen from a 5 star establishment to a 2and a half... next thing is a 1 star with rooms by the hour(top-rated portfolio area, lol) right out front for all to see.

There are just a handful of people that load up a bunch of images to gain points. Like 5-10 compared to thousands on the site.  While you (not saying you particularly, Janice)  may not agree with the quality of individual's work, there are really great artsts and designers joining every day with professional work.   I think that we are focusing on the exceptions here and not the rule.

In defense of the reputation system, there are a few who are taking it to an extreeme, but many like to see a result for the actions that they contribute to ArtBistro. It can be satisfying to see your activity score go up as you become more involved with the community.  It has made a few catch point fever, but most of us here are happy to contribute and see a quanitiative result from it.

brokencolor says ...

By the way, what happened to the section in scoring related to Profile Completeness. It does not exist anymore. Not relevant any more?

 

Hmmm... I guess you are right. I was curious and removed most of my resume type info and saw no point loss.

stanmcq says ...

Very interesting, I was just trying to see how many images it took to get the whole 100 points and Gee, Gio, the wheels came off the car, or was that another buterfly? I have been adding new images and taking down the "Crap" as I get to it!

I had all my 5 star work up here and it got thrashed by the "1" star bandit or stolen, via right clicking! SO until AB gets a flash system to show my work, I'll keep showing what 90% of the members are showing here, my other photos! No rule against it, and Gio, you have disrespected so many members here, it's too funny how you have no idea how you come across to others.

 

I tried to leave, but I couldn't, so until Val and the AB team comes up with a better plan, QUIT YOUR BELLY ACHING!