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Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Posted 7 days ago

 

Why is it that when I click "view all topics"  it brings me to this page which does not allow me to view the topics?  I also have to click to go back to the original group page because if I click "Double Meanings" it brings me to this page again.


http://www.artbistro.com/discussions/444/topics


 


This is the official group page:


http://www.artbistro.com/groups/297-double-meanings


 


Am I allowed to make certain topics "Sticky?"  I would like my "Rules and Regulations" topic to sit first at all times.  And why is it that when you click on a group's description it doesn't give the complete description.  That is counterproductive to me.  The most important thing that needs to be read in my group is cut off.


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Berkeley_abstract_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

 I was wondering about sticky.


This is also related to groups:


 




 I think it is harder to tell what groups are about. I think before you were able to click on a group name in the forum, and it would bring up its avatar, description, members etc. The only way I see that now it if I already belong to the group and click on it on my home page, or do a tedious look at the listing of groups.




For instance, in the forum, if the crown group has  discussion going, and I click on the name, no info, no real idea about what the group is for.


 

 


 
Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

Yeah, that is definietly getting annoying.  Its part of just starting a group for points.  Another problem with the point system.  They probably started, invited a bunch of people, and just left it to fester without a purpose.  I am currently trying to weed out the groups that I have joined so that I only have those that I actually frequent.


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Berkeley_abstract_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

 I agree, a lot of groups are having members post individual requests for viewing which could clog up the forum. Some people are even requesting viewing through private emails from groups that are not involved in requests for viewing members work. But what I was talking about was that even when your group is on the forum, when I click on the group name it does not bring up as much info as it used to. If I remember right.

Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

AH, I see.  I know what you are talking about and that bothers me as well with my group because the stuff that needs to be read has been...


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3129844648_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

i've noticed a lot of "complaining" about the group forums today while surfing this site ... but what is missing is anyone making any suggestions for solutions to any of the problems ... perhaps if some of these solutions were presented along with the initial problem, something could be done in a more timely manner ... there does seem to be a lot of  "friend" groups which seem to have the only purpose of the inital owner of the group to announce their new work ... perhaps if there were one central place to reach everyone or one place that tracks down new postings for the past month, a member could check it out and view the work that they enjoy the most ... this would eliminate the need for multiple listings in order to receive feedback


feedback is good and is an important process in learning ... i know that i have had a few good tips and suggestions that has helped me in the learning process of my craft, but there are a lot of "useless" comments that show no emotion and leaves me wondering if this person really got anything out of my work or if they just want to show up with a posting ... that in turn puts everyone's star ratings and comments in question


the forums are a good place to converse with others, to get opinions and thoughts, to just release (in a fun way, i hope) or meet other members who share the same craft (whether it be oils, acrylics, charcoal, photography, jewerly etc) ... i personally would like to see more of that sort of thing in my "friends" forum, but the question remains "how do i make people aware that this sort of thing exists?? there does seem to be a need to address these problems, but remember, these problems cannot be fixed overnight and they cannot be fixed without a new idea to replace the old disfunctional one

Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

Thanks for the info Brandy.  Unfortunately I do not know anything about website design and coding and any of that lingo to help with any solutions.  There have been some solutions posted but I dont if they have been viewed by the admins. or not. 


 


We are allowed to reject members that have already joined if we wish.  If they start abusing the group message center, you can just drop them from the list.  If eveeryone had a rules and regulations to their group that they could get posted that remains number one on their list for people to read then that can be the warning and then drop them immediately after the offense.  Of course this could get aggravating if everytime you gort a message from people saying "LOOK AT ME!  CHECK OUT MY WORK!!!," you had to go and remove them from your group.


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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

instead of a "look at me, i have new work" post, perhaps a weekly update could be posted on perhaps a saturday morning with a list of all the members who has posted something that week ... that way you can have an organized list of what is new for that period of time ... the list could consist of the handle of the member, the medium that the work consists of (so that any member who is not interested in that medium can bypass the look-see) and the number of pieces that person has available ... i'm not sure if it would work or if anyone is agreeable to it, but it is a suggestion

3129844648_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

of course the member would have to email the owner of the group privately using the "email (username)" and let them know to post their announcement at the end of the week

Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

Don't know how well that would work or not Brandy.  It all depends on the mass of photos being uploaded throughout the week, such as tons of vacation photos posted at the same time, if you are one of those interested in photogaphy and still have to sift through all the "unartsy" photos.  As it appears these sites tend to be photo heavy.


 


another thing would be for "Group Administrator" to have the ability to approve all mass e-mailings before they are sent out.


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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

or perhaps have a thread strickly to post your new collection in the forums ... with the collection name, a short description of what you will find and how many pieces are up ... ask that noone post more than once or twice a month ... the user name can be found on the post already ... this way multiple collections or pictures can be announced at the same time instead of uploading one picture and then mass emailing in many forums for just one piece

Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

That sounds like a good idea.  Unfortunately getting people to follow directions is another thing entirely.  Considering the age majority on here and how its is mainly older people who breaking these rules, its really sad.  I know these people know how to read. 


 


Remember that stupid test in grade school that they hand out to see how well you follow directions?  The first thing it says is read all the wuestions carefully, and at the very end of it says put your pencil down. (You shouldn't have answered anything on the test.)


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Berkeley_abstract_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

 Brandy and Phoenix. Just so you know, others as well as myself have made suggestions in various threads about this problem, we don't just complain. I could also like to mention that another way to have people to look at your work (its been mentioned before) is to view and comment on person work. Then they might look at yours. From this friends are made. More personal then asking people to look at your work in the forum or through group emails. Its unfortunate that from personal experience when some people put out massive pleas to look at work, you look and comment, but never hear from them again. When people do this, I can't take them very seriously, and will not comment on their work in the future. One way to let people know you exist is to participate in the forum.

3129844648_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

unfortunately, there is no perfect solution to any problem ... personally, i like to know when new work is being uploaded so that i might look at it ... afterall, when a new collection is exhibited at a gallery, it is usually announced and advertised in several places (eg. newspapers, local community flyers etc) ...i worked at an art gallery for a period of time and we sent out a stack of snail mail to various people to advertise a new collection ...  in fact, every member of the gallery was given an invitation to view the latest collection every time a collection was changed ... that way you can go and look at the works that are displayed there and comment on the work as a whole in the guestbook ... when you do critiques at school, you have a certain time and place which is advertised and you are there ... in this particular group, it is difficult to find the type of artists that you enjoy the most and for that matter i have not been able to find anywhere where i might find what different artists have to offer 


also, there is a lot of work on this site that i like, but like it for no other reason than it strikes a chord within ... when a person has a collection of about 15 pieces and they are all good, i really don't like to leave the same comment work after work ... it would be nice to be able to leave a message about their work on a whole ... and i really wonder how serious i would be if i were continually leaving messages like "i really like your work" ... most of the artists in this group are really good ... and there is only so many ways that you can say that without repeating yourself ... there are also other reasons for getting feedback ... one would be to see if the message that you want to get out in your work is actually being read by other people ... another would be to critique techniques and offer other suggestions that the artist may or may not try in future endevours ... or the artist is putting together a portfolio for a job or whatever, and would like a little help in what pieces to use ... sometimes another point of view is helpful in seeing your own work ... however, it is hard to tell what the artist is looking for in a critique without first announcing it ... i can understand the frustration of receiving half a dozen announcements for the same thing, but on the other hand, it is also a way to reach out to new people that you may otherwise never meet ... and i am always open to viewing others work but i don't like guessing when something new is offered


which brings me back to my opening statement ... there is no perfect solution ... you can satisfy some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, but there is no satisfying everyone with a perfect solution ... and that is just the world we live in

Starr_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

brandy said :


it would be nice to be able to leave a message about their work on a whole ...


 


you can, leave a message on their comment wall


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Berkeley_abstract_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

In response to Brandy


I think if you are familiar with viewing art its possible to critique a persons artwork in an album without repeating yourself. Some people feel uncomfortable (not you) about commenting on media they do not use, but there are formal concerns that cross over to various media. Of course I would encourage artists to try different media, it only helps, and can feedback into what your main interest is. 

Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

It would be nice to go into am individual album and post a comment on the whole album instead of going to each individual image.  I would still see all of the images but it would be nice to comment on it as a whole like Star said.  I tend to delete things off my comment wall for the sake of simplicity.


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Berkeley_abstract_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 7 days ago

 

I see your point. But If its a series you can comment on that while commenting on an individual piece. Some albums have pretty varied work. Star has a good point about using a comment wall for overview. Commenting on an album might be too vague, as many comments on individual work are now. I don't think people expect you to comment on each item in an album. There are multiple pages to the comment wall. Some are worth saving to remind you of friends you might not have contacted for a while. If its used as a chat room, thats different. You make good observations phoenixstorm, it gets me thinking, when I should be painting.

Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 3 days ago

 

Anyone out there know why the links I posted in the first post show up the way they do?  Why does it not show all of my topics and why is it a hassles to have to back and forth between pages to get to where I can view all the topcs?


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Berkeley_abstract_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 3 days ago

 

 You might have to copy and paste the links again after you post them to make them hot. That has been my experience. I'm not sure about your other questions.

Devid-reallysmall_max50

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Rated 0 | Posted 3 days ago

 

Why is it that when I click "view all topics"  it brings me to this page which does not allow me to view the topics?  I also have to click to go back to the original group page because if I click "Double Meanings" it brings me to this page again.




http://www.artbistro.com/discussions/444/topics




 




This is the official group page:




http://www.artbistro.com/groups/297-double-meanings




 




Am I allowed to make certain topics "Sticky?"  I would like my "Rules and Regulations" topic to sit first at all times.  And why is it that when you click on a group's description it doesn't give the complete description.  That is counterproductive to me.  The most important thing that needs to be read in my group is cut off.


 


~~I am the missing piece to the puzzle not yet brought into being~~ (Stephen Michael Arnold)


~~I am the missing piece to the puzzle not yet brought into being.~~ Stephen Michael Arnold